Kate ([info]digital_eraser) wrote,
@ 2009-01-09 21:49:00
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Cootie-Free Zone, No Girls Allowed
Need a good laugh? Check out this article by a Josh Tyler entitled We Don't Need More Female Superheroes. A bunch of you have probably seen it already because its been doing the blog rounds, but I thought I'd post it here for the handful of you who haven't, because it's hilarious.

To summarize: only boys like action movies, only girls like romance movies. Boys like superheroes, girls like Julia Roberts. There are some girls who do like superheroes, but it's because it was forced upon them by a society that makes girl interests seem inferior to boy interests, thus these girls only like superheroes because they want to be more like boys. Isn't our society so sexist for doing that? Also: there really should be more female superhero movies, but only if they're made just for guys.

Okay, so by "hilarious" I meant "aggravating." I'd almost think it was satire, poking fun at those guys here and there online who've expressed similar opinions...except he mentions right away that he's written it as a direct response to two previous articles from women who'd like there to be more female superhero movies.

But what really is hilarious is the comments section, how he keeps continually moving the goalpost anytime someone tries to argue that he's wrong. He’s only talking about general movie audiences, female comic fans don’t count. Buffy doesn’t count because it wasn't hugely successful (how many shows starring male action heroes can you name that lasted as long as seven seasons?), and because she's not really a superhero anyways (because she doesn't wear a costume?). Similarly, Sarah Connor and Kim Possible don't count because he was talking about superheroes, not action heroes (nevermind that he was saying that only boys fantasize being action heroes).

Sure, women went to Spider-Man and The Dark Knight, but did you notice only one in five people were women at the midnight showing? Wait, you mean it ended up being more 50/50 on days after the midnight showing? Er, well...I don't think TDK was really a superhero movie anyways, just a great movie. And women only went to Spider-man because it had romance. So there.

But he wasn't saying it's unnatural for women to like superheroes, he was merely observing that there are more guys seem to like superheroes than girls. You'd almost think he hadn't read his own article.

He'd also like to point out that he wasn't actually claiming to know how all women think...just most.

Also hilarious: the problem with Super Ex-Girlfriend is that it was a superhero movie trying to appeal to women, not the offensive premise (and I don't even mean sexist so much as but offensively dumb). And his claim that Sex In The City was a good movie.

I was so tempted to add my own response, but it requires you to register...which seems like too much of a hassle when he's just going to find new creative ways to move the goalpost. "Sure Buffy lasted seven seasons, but did its ratings do as well as 24?" "If Chewbacca lives on Endor, girls do not want action heroes."

He's so adamant that this gender interest divide does and should exist, it's like he's deathly afraid of...what exactly, I'm not sure. That the world as he though he understood it was wrong? That guys and girls aren't as different as he thought, breaking down the whole idea of a woman's mind being a mysterious thing?

Clearly he's never heard of the word "socialization." Y'know what I bet would really blow his mind? Someone informing him that pink wasn't always associated with girls and blue with boys...and that it was in fact entirely the reverse until as early as around the 1950s!

"Pink was for boys? And blue was for girls...? What...what if one day superheroes end up being only for girls...? *sobs in fear*"

It's going to be okay, Josh. It's going to be okay.




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[info]jmatonak
2009-01-10 06:33 am UTC (link)

I was so tempted to add my own response, but it requires you to register...which seems like too much of a hassle when he's just going to find new creative ways to move the bar. "Sure Buffy lasted seven seasons, but did its ratings do as well as 24? If Chewbacca lives on Endor, girls do not want action heroes."


Yeah, that's how he got me too.

By the way, I can testify from experience that awareness of the existence of socialization, or even the knowledge that women like to read/watch stories about kicking ass, does absolutely nothing to make a woman's mind less of a mysterious thing. :)

I have a friend who is super into princesses and pink and once threw a royal tantrum at the idea of changing her clothes, the only time I have ever heard a human being scream "then I wouldn't be PRETTY!" at the top of her lungs. (It's okay, she's six.)

To her, proper princess dress includes a magic wand. And the magic wand is used to fight bad guys, because that's what princesses do. I've presided over her marriage, several times, to a gentleman who conveniently diminishes to pocket size for easy storage during the aforementioned fighting. He's very much the rescued, not the rescuer- and he is a he, I checked. :)

So if my young friend is "girly" with the pink and the pretty, what's with the fighting? Conversely, what's with the elaborate costuming if she's a "tomboy"?

Preaching to the choir, I know. You just have to wonder if some people have ever hung out with a kid when they make these pronouncements.

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[info]mechanicaljewel
2009-01-10 10:02 pm UTC (link)
I want to see a movie about this pretty, pink princess who fights bad guys and rescues her amazing shrinking fiancé all the time.

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[info]digital_eraser
2009-01-10 10:24 pm UTC (link)
That could totally be made into a cartoon series.

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[info]cleome45
2009-01-13 10:18 pm UTC (link)
I'd watch it in a heartbeat. I look like hell in pink, but I'll live vicariously through those that don't-- if the plot is good. ;)

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[info]scottyquick
2009-01-15 10:45 pm UTC (link)
Dude, how hard would you have to try to make the plot suck?

VERY THAT'S HOW HARD.

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[info]lienne_lascera
2009-01-10 08:13 pm UTC (link)
that is so precious.

I think the guy just doesn't like being wrong... I've been known to play some dirty mind games myself at the expense of looking like a moron, just to keep my mind thinking that I was still all good.

haha!

-LL

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[info]shadoestar
2009-01-11 12:14 am UTC (link)
Well, some people just don't like to be proven wrong, so they'll twist the argument any way necessary to make it look like their right. Kinda like those word games grade school kids play on the recess field.

I think the reason why movies like My Super Ex-Girlfriend, Catwoman and Elektra didn't so will wasn't because they were superhero movies for women. It was because they sucked.

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[info]digital_eraser
2009-01-11 12:22 am UTC (link)
I wish that were more common knowledge than it apparently is.

(Also: Aeon Flux, Ultraviolet, etc.)

I heard a rumor that Sigourney Weaver and Ridley Scott have been contemplating another Ripley movie. As in, not another Alien movie, but another Ripley movie. That could be interesting.

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[info]shadoestar
2009-01-11 12:29 am UTC (link)
I tried watching Ultraviolet once. I got about 40 minutes in before what was left of my brain cells cried for mercy and had me eject it from my DVD player.

For awhile, they were planning a spinoff movie for Jinx, Hallie Berry's character in Die Another Day. The project got canceled because the studio saw that a bunch of female-fronted action films (All of which were bad) flopped and thought it was because those kinds of movies weren't what the public wanted to see. The possibility that it was because nobody wanted to see them because they sucked never occurred to them.

I don't think I would've wanted to see a Jinx movie anyway. Aside from Madonna's cameo, she was the worst thing about that movie.

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[info]digital_eraser
2009-01-11 12:56 am UTC (link)
I'm so sick of Halle Berry in general. Can someone please bar her from doing any more superhero or action hero films?

But yeah, I remember hearing awhile back that some producer or someone had reportedly said they're no longer going to be doing any action movies with female leads, because of how those crappy movies did. Which is ridiculous because, hello, Kill Bill?

I think it was later denied, but I have to wonder if that's the real reason for Wonder Woman being put on hold. Also, that the only Frank Miller property that's yet to be developed is Martha Washington (though maybe that ship has sailed now).

I wonder what it'd take to get any decent female action hero movies happening again. Maybe James Cameron's Battle Angel will do it? (I hope it's good, I hope it's good, I hope it's good...)

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[info]shadoestar
2009-01-11 03:45 pm UTC (link)
I'm holding out hope for Battle Angel too. Though I have a feeling that no matter how it turns out, there's gonna be a bunch of otaku whining about it. ("It sucks because Americans made it!")

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[info]mysterymeg
2009-01-11 09:54 pm UTC (link)
I quite liked Ultraviolet, but only because I have a massive crush on Milla Jovovich. It was not a good movie by any stretch of the imagination. However, it was worth the watch for me to listen to Violet's catchphrase, "Watch me." Sent me into hysterics every time.

But dude. Josh Tyler is a tool who needs to shut the fuck up already.

And you just KNOW right now he's seeing all these responses to his douchebag views, and dismissing it all as PMS-related.

He wishes. If it were, he'd be looking for his dick outside in the bushes.

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[info]lothos
2009-01-13 09:27 pm UTC (link)
I had to actually sit through Ultraviolet in the theater because my sister paid for it and she actually enjoyed it (we saw Night Watch the same night and she hated it).

I actually thought the first 10-ish minutes of Ultraviolet was good. It went completely downhill from there. A lot of good brain cells were lost that night. *mourns and plays taps*

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[info]lothos
2009-01-13 09:25 pm UTC (link)
I love Ripley and all, but no Aliens?!?! @_@

*mind is boggled*

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[info]digital_eraser
2009-01-14 01:15 am UTC (link)
I think their idea is that the aliens have since moved onto the AVP series, so...is there another type of sci fi story Ripley might find herself in?

Which has potential, both to be pretty good or pretty bad. Who knows.

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[info]clockwork_hands
2009-01-14 02:34 am UTC (link)
Do they promise to retcon Ripley's death, and subsequent clone (arrgh)? Or is the new story set a little in the past?

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[info]digital_eraser
2009-01-14 02:36 am UTC (link)
I'd hope they'd just not mention the death or clone bits at all -- like maybe they still could have happened, but there's no mention of them -- so that I can continue to pretend the third and fourth movies don't exist.

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[info]clockwork_hands
2009-01-14 02:49 am UTC (link)
Yes. My brain would also be happier with this solution.

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[info]lothos
2009-01-15 07:24 am UTC (link)
Could be... never know with Hollywood. I'd give it a shot, though.

It's still weird... @_@

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